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Since my computer is old and crappy, It looks all choppy for me. I'll have to wait until I'm at work tomorrow to pass full judgment on it.

Surprisingly enough, Dr. Manhattan looks the best of the characters. I was really expecting him to not pass muster, visuals-wise, but I think he looks better than some of the "costumed" characters in the film.

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The link isn't working for me.

I'm very glad that Jeffrey Dean Morgan is The Comedian. That was exciting casting.


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Bad HTML on my part. Fixed.


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Thanks for that. The effects look very good. I just wish that Timur Bekmambetov had directed it.


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I once heard that Terry Gilliam wanted to do it as a mini-series — 12 two-hour long episodes. That seems much more credible than cramming the whole thing into a three hour long film.


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Agreed.

I hadn't heard that, but now that you mention it, that would have been more credible.

I have the same concerns for Blood Meridian. How is Ridley Scott going to fit all of that into 2 or 3 hours?


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Blood Meridian could have been made by the italians, maybe, forty years ago - corbucci or possibly Leone. Maybe. Still, barring that, Guy Maddin would have been my choice.

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That movie ... look ... I would be entertained for a little bit and then forget what the fuck I just watched 20 minutes after watching it. Know what I mean?


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Will the movie be set 20 years in the past? Or will it somehow try to fit the Cold War/M.A.D., urban decay, paranoia of the mid 80's into the present? If the latter, the movie will just come off seeming more a cartoony distopian fantasy than the alternate reality created by the books. But whatever.


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I find it hard to be objective...

...about this trailer, which looks EVEN BETTER on the BIG FUCKING SCREEN.

Part of me wants to hold back a little so that if (when?) I am disappointed I will not be crushed--just set back. But the other part of me literally squealed when I recognized the first two seconds of the trailer from the three times I watched it that day before I went to the movie (the yellow-backed grey DC logo). But the movie will not change my feelings about the novel either way. I just...want very much for it to be not just good enough to justify *not* ripping it to shreds, but so good that I leave the theater feeling like I did after Dark Knight last night.

Ben: the Dr. Manhattan effects were gorgeous.

Daisy, I also love Timur B. He was the saving grace of Wanted, which I was otherwise amazingly unfond of.

As for a Gilliam rumour on a miniseries and purely hypothetically, which Gilliam would we have been likely to have gotten: the fucking Brothers Grimm Gilliam (a veritable shit sandwich, yes?), or the Brazil Gilliam? I do not really like my chances.


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ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Don't you have the slightest curiosity about what Watchmen director Zack Snyder is doing with your work?

ALAN MOORE: I would rather not know.


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All that is bullshit. Moore's high and mighty distance is bunko. I mean if he had the intergrity that he feins, he would not sell the rights.

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I guess I should admit that I hate Moore. In general for his english hippyness but specifically for his terrible comics.

I wonder if he would be interested in buying the copy of the WATCHMEN i have the harvey pekar signed as Allen Moore?

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Moore didn't sell any rights here -- Watchmen is a DC/AOL Time Warner property -- and he does not (in fact, refuses to) collect a thin dime from this or any other Hollywood adaptation of his DC stuff. I thought this was more or less universally known but I guess not? You are of course welcome to think his work isn't any good, but his position against corporate dilution of creative rights (in fairness, after having been dealt with in bad faith by DC) is pretty much unimpeachable.


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i was having a go with you.

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ABOUT ALAN MOORE

But I am still not going to read Lost Girls until it shows up on Bittorrent. Also I thought it was possible you were going senile.


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also you should read the rest of that EW interview

He talks about having Harvey and Jan or whatsername over to the house for tea. It will make you vomit!


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that is always a possibility, one that my wife would probably support you in, theory-wise.

as a testament to alan moore's sheer unpopularity, the library purchased a beautiful copy of LOST GIRLS and it not only remains unstolen, it also remains unchallenged by the prudish and righteous.

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PRETENTIOUS EXISTENTIAL MACHO wrote:
He talks about having Harvey and Jan or whatsername over to the house for tea. It will make you vomit!

HOLY HOT POCKETS, MAN!

I walked into work today to a whole workroom full of pekar-ites simply buzzing - a'twitterin'- on and reading aloud the sections of the interview that mention the harv. I was verbally cornered by such nonsense, until I had to flatly deny Moore, three times, before being left alone. Shortly after I posted above screed.

Did you see the copy of american splendor that is like the library issue? Two of my co-workers are mentioned by name AND one of them made the HR lady put a copy of the comic in her personnel file b/c harvey said such nice things about her. But reading the story the only thing he mentioned was her full christian/wiccan name!

The fact that a pre-op tranny lives with the Pekars right as Joyce's personal assistant, brings me hours a muttered amusement.

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because nobody has bothered to check it out. But that was your point.


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It is amazing how little it takes for someone to become a celebrity. Where did we go wrong?


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6 66 the number of the beast!

todd's contention has always been that I am jealous of harvey. But nothing is falser from the truff.

In fact, I feel sorry for him. He lives in winnowing old age with a harpy and a tranny. His most productive years are failing stories of disinteresting topics that seem cynical and horrible stretches even to him. Or maybe Todd was on to something.

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has anybody seen this?
I have it in my queue. I will watch and report

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I have heard of that, but I

I have heard of that, but I have not seen it.

In a terrible sign, there is now this "Motion Comics" version of Watchmen available for free via iTunes. They've essentially taken the book and "animated" certain elements of each panel, while one guy does voices for all the characters (yes, even the women).

Link (will launch iTunes).


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This movie is going to suck royal ass.
You can see the suckiness seeping out in the trailer.

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I hate it when people insist on calling shit like this a novel or graphic novel. It was a fucking comic book. Get over your "graphic literature" reading bullshit.


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Wow. Motion Comics. Comic books for the illiterate. An idea whose time has come.


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And much to the confusion of

And much to the confusion of those who haven't read the book, I must ask ... where are the fucking pirates?


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So I guess Zach Snyder really wanted to keep "Tales from the Black Freighter" in the film, but was shot down by the studio. Apparently they're going to be released on DVD prior to the film hitting theaters — they're animated and narrated by Gerard Butler. Then, when the DVD comes out, they're going to be re-edited back into the film.

Also, Kevin Smith gives the film a thumbs up, for whatever that's worth.

Wait, that dude was voluntarily a part of the Daredevil movie. Forget it.


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Ben wrote:
So I guess Zach Snyder really wanted to keep "Tales from the Black Freighter" in the film, but was shot down by the studio.

Further evidence that it is going to suck.

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i would like there to be an ambush bug movie.


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'HOW could this happen? The question springs to mind as 20th Century Fox claims it has the rights to the graphic novel on which Warner Brothers is basing “Watchmen,” its giant superhero movie.

Peer deeper into the murk of Hollywood’s business practices, though, and the question becomes: How could it not?

The film industry was buzzing last week after a federal judge here allowed Fox to proceed with a lawsuit contending that Warner had filmed “Watchmen” without bothering to acquire rights that Fox says it has owned for 22 years. This eagerly anticipated movie is directed by Zack Snyder, of “300” fame, and is based on the illustrated series (republished as a graphic novel) by Alan Moore and David Gibbons.

Warner, of course, begs to differ with Fox. So the studios are squared off for battle. Fox wants an injunction blocking the movie’s planned release on March 6. Warner wants Fox to go away.

Studios have certainly fought like this in the past. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Sony Pictures Entertainment, for instance, swapped lawsuits a decade ago over Sony’s plan to make a series of James Bond films to rival MGM’s. MGM won, more or less, after Sony settled and dropped its films. But Sony soon wound up distributing a Bond movie, the highly successful “Casino Royale,” as it became financially involved with a reorganized MGM.

That battle grew from a decades-old fight between the filmmaker Kevin McClory and the author Ian Fleming over the rights to “Thunderball” (Mr. McClory had contributed to the screenplay).

The Fox-Warner tiff turns on matters potentially more nettlesome to the industry at large. Central to Fox’s complaint is the mysterious matter of what is called turnaround.

On its face, turnaround is a contractual mechanism that allows a studio to release its interest in a dormant film project, while recovering costs, plus interest, from any rival that eventually adopts the project. But turnaround is a stacked deck.

The turnaround clauses in a typical contract are also insurance for studio executives who do not want to be humiliated by a competitor who makes a hit out of their castoffs.

That trick turns on a term of art: “changed elements.” A producer of a movie acquired in turnaround who comes up with a new director, or star, or story line, or even a reduction in budget, must give the original studio another shot at making the movie because of changed elements, even if a new backer has entered the picture.

Thus, “Michael Clayton” was put in turnaround by Castle Rock Entertainment (which, like Warner, belongs to Time Warner). When George Clooney became attached to star in it, however, Castle Rock stood on its right to be involved as a producer of what turned out to be an Oscar-nominated film.

Fox, in its complaint filed in February with the United States District Court for the Central District of California, contended, among other things, that Lawrence Gordon, a producer of “Watchmen,” was given a somewhat unusual perpetual turnaround right under an agreement reached in 1994. Such rights are conventionally given for a finite period, but Mr. Gordon, as a powerful producer who was once a Fox studio chief, may have had an edge.

According to the court filings, Fox had declared its willingness to part with the project under certain terms in 1991. In any case, Fox says, Mr. Gordon was supposed to resubmit “Watchmen” to Fox every time he came up with a changed element.

There certainly were changes. At one point, Terry Gilliam (“Brazil”) was supposed to direct it, at another, Darren Aronofsky (“The Fountain”), and at still another, Paul Greengrass (“The Bourne Ultimatum”). Writers have included Sam Hamm (“Batman”), David Hayter (“X-Men”) and Alex Tse (“Sucker Free City”), among others.

Paramount, still another party in the mix, was once close to making the film. But its new chairman, Brad Grey, backed away and created a turnaround of his own in 2005.

Tantalizingly, Fox’s complaint, which does not name Paramount, said that Warner settled a dispute with an unidentified “purported rights holder” by sharing part of its own claimed interest. Patricia S. Rockenwagner, a Paramount spokeswoman, says her studio has foreign distribution rights to the film.

Warner gave “Watchmen” the go-ahead when Zack Snyder, immediately after his surprise hit with “300,” took it under wing. Yet Mr. Gordon, by Fox’s account, never checked back with Fox about any of this.

Mr. Gordon did not respond to requests for comment. Warner, both in court and in a statement last week, said it had done everything legally necessary to make the film.

In the real world, of course, turnaround — along with much of Hollywood’s machinery for securing film rights — long operated with a certain degree of messy pragmatism. Elements might change. Producers would proceed on a wink and a nod. When things were stuck, a bit of horse-trading got them moving again.

But the stakes have become too high for that sort of informality. “It’s gotten a lot more difficult,” Larry Stein, a veteran Hollywood lawyer at Dreier Stein Kahan Browne Woods George, said of the entire business of rights protection.

Studios, Mr. Stein added, “are securing their self-interest in every way they can.” After all, who wants to slip up when the fifth sequel to “Batman” can take in half a billion dollars at the domestic box office?

WARNER has been stung lately in some very different situations involving rights. In March, a federal judge here ruled that the heirs of Jerome Siegel, a co-creator of Superman, the studio’s mainstay hero, were entitled to reclaim a share in the copyright of the character. Lawyers for the studio have not yet given up the fight, and proceedings are continuing over what that will mean in dollars and cents. The studio’s New Line Cinema unit is also embroiled in continuing litigation with the heirs of J. R. R. Tolkien over their claim to have been defrauded of profits due from the blockbuster “Lord of the Rings” series.

In the “Watchmen” case, it remains to be seen whether the presiding judge, Gary A. Feess, will grant an injunction blocking the movie’s release while sorting things out. But in 2005, Judge Feess issued an injunction blocking the planned release of Warner’s film “Dukes of Hazzard” in a rights dispute, leading to a settlement under which the studio paid $17.5 million to a producer who claimed infringement.

There will be motions and hearings aplenty, however, before it comes to that. And those who watch closely may see enough of Hollywood’s process to wonder how movies get made at all.'

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